If your trigger finger/trigger contact point is going to change your POI is probably going to drift, which is why I torque my hands inwards and practice getting a death grip, the same grip, time after time. I'm a pretty large guy (300# 6'4") and with the 12 round mag and inserted in an Ellite size 7 IWB holster, it fits great & no print problems. has. As you can see, the Hellcat as a straight, or flat, trigger face versus the conventional curved face. One of my favorite things about the gun is the same style texture that they use for the grip, located … In short, I am drawing no conclusions from any of it other than the fact the Springfield and SIG are having amazing sales volumes in … XD-S® 9 Products . Very unhappy, I installed the PRP kit and it cleared up all the problems I was having with the trigger and I am very happy with gun now. The sights on the Hellcat are, honestly, a little ‘meh’ after using them for a few months. I had the same exact problem. Compared to a full-size duty gun, small pistols require far more work (and frustration) to extract top performance. I really liked my G43 with night sights and if these high capacity micros had never came out, I'd still be carrying it. Replaced." As a carry gun, however, the Hellcat blew me away. The Springfield Armory Hellcat is one of the hottest concealed carry pistols coming out of 2019, and with that comes new gun owners on the hunt for maintenance tips. Took a … While I’m no trigger snob, the Hellcat’s trigger is clearly one of the best bangswitches I’ve shot on a striker fired carry pistol. $176.95. For 2016, there are a few software updates depending on when the car was built. "A dealer in TX had a hellcat with similar issues problem was a defective lifter." Trigger pull on both of these pistols is far from great, but the Hellcat requires somewhat less travel after taking up the slack. "It was a broken rocker arm on cylinder 6. We never experienced this problem when shooting the Hellcat, but when purposely testing this operation, it was clear that the thumb could certainly interfere with last-round-fired lockup. Below are some pictures to show comparison in size and a chart to list exact dimensions and compacity. Well, the Hellcat didn’t just land on all fours—it landed square on the leading edge of pistol development. The Hellcat® has a flat trigger face that promotes consistent trigger engagement and positive control. But the stock Hellcat trigger has some issues that the Apex fixes. Discussion in 'Springfield Armory Hellcat Micro-Compact' started by Klugey1, Nov 10, 2020. For a gun meant to defend your life, the Hellcat immediately captured the imagination of conceal carry enthusiasts. But I prefer the more curved trigger of … 40% off. Order a gift certificate; Sale. No matter how hard you press the trigger. They are probably my favorite factory sight of any pistol from the factory. Quick View. The Hellcat isn’t a smooth-cycling wonder-gun that feels like an extension of my arm, possesses a feather-like trigger and is capable of bullseye precision. The legality of warranty acceptance by Springfield (although looking at Apex’s video on replacing the trigger is fairly simple) will probably be that the trigger must be installed by them or a certified gunsmith. New Hellcat owner. The Hellcat seemed solid and I had no problems with it. . The sear and disconnector are CNC machined out of 440C stainless steel and heat treated to 53-56 RC. XD-S® 9 Products . This isn’t a problem with my G43. ). . There’s a clean take-up with an ever-so-slight bump right before it’s fully staged. JavaScript is disabled. The Hellcat features either an 11+1 flush fit magazine or a 13+1 extended magazine depending on what you choose to carry. If you put slight sideways pressure on the trigger it will not fire even with the blade safety fully pressed. The XD-E features an exposed hammer, DA/SA trigger and is the most versatile pistol in the XD line. The insert in the Apex Action Enhancement Trigger packaging is perfect for this. If there is any issue with the ignition trigger or reluctor wheel it may compromise the signal to the computer. $104.95. Yes, the issue is real. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. You have a great Christmas. 911 Handguns. We never experienced this problem when shooting the Hellcat, but when purposely testing this operation, it was clear that the thumb could certainly interfere with last-round-fired lockup. When ready to fire, a deliberate press of the trigger disengages the trigger safety and begins the rearward travel of the trigger assembly. Qualified gunsmith installation is absolutely required for your safety, the protection of your firearm and for proper tuning if it is required. Certainly, examples like the Kel-Tec P11 have existed for years, but until SIG Sauer released the P365, interest had been more muted. The new Apex Action Enhancement Trigger for the Hellcat pistol comes with an Apex Sear Spring and Apex Striker Spring, and is easy to install. The Apex trigger is quite nice, with a smooth pull and a clean break. If people have this problem there are choices, you can go to Powder River Performance, they are making a new trigger shoe for the Hellcat, you can sale it or learn to use your firearm properly. It has one sight. The Hellcat has a flat-faced trigger which helps to facilitate proper placement of the pad of your trigger finger and a straight rearward press of the trigger – which is a must for accuracy. MSRP $542 - $580. Free shipping. For a gun meant to defend your life, the Hellcat immediately captured the imagination of conceal carry enthusiasts. However, the sight is both thinner and lighter. I can’t vouch for the Apex Hellcat trigger, but I installed one on my M&P 357c. The Hellcat has more of a squared off feel compared to the P365’s rounded edges, then of course the Glock feels like a Glock. Unsure what to order for that someone special. The trigger safety is also designed to minimize the risk of the pistol firing if dropped, or firing if the trigger is exposed to any movement that is not a direct firing pull. Pull the trigger fast and you can spit lead into a cantaloupe-size cluster. Well, it will be soon. - Sound System/Tweeter - 3000 miles was all it took to blow the tweeter behind the drivers seat! Seems Springfield will follow shortly or accept and honor a warranty of their product with a modified Apex trigger. XD® 35 Products . The striker safety is machined from 416 stainless steel that is also properly heat treated. Sorry, when discussing the 365 I don’t even consider the SAS. Called the RMRcc, the new red dot sight can be had with either the 3.25 MOA dot or the 6.0 MOA dot. 911 Handguns. My first trip to the range my daughter said, “Dad, I can’t pull the trigger.” It is indeed caused if you pull the trigger to the left while pulling back. Yes i read what he wrote (personally) and i posted my reply. 1. (Photo courtesy of Springfield Armory) We found that most G&A evaluators experienced an instinctive sight alignment with the generous U-notch rear and Ameriglo Pro-Glo front sight. 40% off. Everyone has the same problem with these small micro's and compacts. I prefer the familiar feel of the Mod.2’s curved trigger, but the Hellcat’s flatter bang switch is touted as a feature on the SA website . . I own and use for my daily carry a P365 -- and love it. Here's the opinion of a 'meh' shooter and a guy who's owned the Hellcat for all of 2 hours. Problem solved. At this point the Hellcat is loaded. Instead of having the trigger break near the rear of the trigger guard opening, it breaks with about 3/8” open space behind the trigger. Unlock additional features, and fewer ads while browsing. Hellcat® 4 Products . Took a … Categories. 9 MM.45 ACP. With the Hellcat the trigger reach is too short for me so I was pulling shots to the left. Quick View. No matter how hard you press the trigger. I have it now, and I'm carrying it in the same Alabama kydex pocket holster. XD-S Mod.2® 10 Products . Second Media Corp., 111 Peter Street, Suite 901, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. You seem to have overlooked said SAS. I am an audiophile but never had the volume over 32 and normally its between 28-30. Springfield Hellcat “Adaptive Grip texture” Ergonomics and Controls. Usually a faulty ignition trigger will produce few symptoms that can notify the driver of the issue. A lot of dry firing has 'lessened' the problem, but it’s still not 100% snag free. People, get out and practice/train with your firearm. The Springfield Hellcat has a trigger lever safety, but unlike the striker-fired XDs, there is no grip safety. . Trigger. The P365 SAS is rumored to be recently discontinued. One of the first symptoms of an issue with the ignition trigger is problems starting the engine. The trigger action of each is good to excellent for concealed carry. Trigger Kit for the Hellcat. XD Mod.2® 36 Products . Quick View. The back of the frame has a generous beavertail. It may not be at the top with the likes of Walther, but it’s definitely up there. Keep in mind this is a subcompact pistol. The Springfield Hellcat has proven a popular choice for concealed carry pistols since its release. You think the 365 has useless sights? Trigger Time. Oh well. This kit helps to smooth and lighten the Hellcat’s trigger pull to about 4.25-4.5 pounds. trigger problem? We work hard to bring the best XD Forum the internet has to offer! Hellcat, because of the Glock type trigger safety. Hellcat® Micro-Compact Handguns. The Hellcat trigger and sights are good, the SIG trigger … I have had 2 of them with nary an issue. Triggers and Trigger Kits; T-Shirts and Stickers; Gift cards. At the time of this writing, Apex Tactical is currently sold out of the several variations they make for the Springfield Armory Hellcat (likely due to their high popularity), but once more come back in stock they retail for $79.95 – $89.95 depending on the trigger you select. The striker safety is machined from 416 stainless steel that is also properly heat treated. Shooting the Hellcat: very similar to the P365. XD Mod.2® 36 Products . Come join the discussion about optics, hunting, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! Springfield Armory’s flat-face trigger will win over hands with longer fingers because it gives the Hellcat a slightly longer length of pull. Suggest you watch PRP video on install, I could not have done install myself with out the video. Check out the Hellcat Wiki sections for good information, the SRT Hellcat TSBs section, and read through the Active Topics for things people are talking about currently. (WWII piston engine fighter for you non-Aviation buffs) Remember – like Ol’ Remus said, Stay away from crowds. (You must log in or sign up to reply here. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. Ergonomically the gun is quite simple. $158.95. I was shooting it with the 13 round magazine and that gave me a nice full handed grip. Extreme Trigger Kit with Pre-Fit Polymer Trigger for XD 9/40. Pull the trigger fast and you can spit lead into a cantaloupe-size cluster. There is a lot of information on this site. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. Inspired by the classic 1911, the 911 traces its shootability and comfort to its full-sized counterpart..380 ACP 9 MM. Springfield Armory’s Hellcat OSP is the latest in a relatively new category, the micro-double-stack pistol. (WWII piston engine fighter for you non-Aviation buffs) Remember – like Ol’ Remus said, Stay away from crowds. The most prominent issue is that if you put sideways pressure on the trigger before attempting to pull straight … The package includes an Apex Action Enhancement Trigger. Extreme Trigger Kit with Pre-Fit Polymer Trigger for XD 45. Maybe a 4th point – I have an F6F Hellcat mouse pad. I’m really hoping smith and Wesson drops it’s name in the hat. Here this weekend or next I’m gonna rent them and test them out. Inspired by the classic 1911, the 911 traces its shootability and comfort to its full-sized counterpart..380 ACP 9 MM. Now those looking to improve the trigger pull can take advantage of Apex’s design. I’m looking at purchasing a new edc and I’m looking at the Springfield hellcat, S&W M&P 2.0. Carry-wise the Hellcat carries just a tad larger. Howev… Ruger® 6 Products . Springfield Armory’s Hellcat OSP is the latest in a relatively new category, the micro-double-stack pistol. No front sight. 9 MM.45 ACP. The length of pull is such that shooters with smaller hands will have no problem working the trigger, and larger-handed folk will be able to use it comfortably. "It was a broken rocker arm on cylinder 6. You have to do some reading for a while. The Springfield Hellcat has proven a popular choice for concealed carry pistols since its release. My you are rude. It is a widely accepted opinion the Meprolight sight on the SAS gets two thumbs down. The package includes an Apex Action Enhancement Trigger. Assembled Guide Rod for Smith & Wesson M&P 9 and 40 Full Size Pistols. Ruger® 6 Products . This seems like a training issue. The Hellcat trigger issue appears fairly common, and discussion of it results in growing numbers of shooters becoming aware of the potential risk. As you can see, the Hellcat as a straight, or flat, trigger face versus the conventional curved face. Glock will probably never be able to because of its polymer mag design. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. But yes. Hard to argue the allure of size and capacity. Apex Tactical Springfield Hellcat Trigger. The trigger bar (or action bar) can also vary in … The trigger sports a small safety device similar to other XD models. I’ll be dusting mine off and it will be back in rotation. I am an audiophile but never had the volume over 32 and normally its between 28-30. If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. Pull weight is about the same. Yes, the issue is real. Reality check- nearly EVERY company (with the possible exception of HK?) Everyone says the same thing about Glock not wanting/willing to dive in. Springfield Hellcat 9mm Subcompact Pistol Accuracy Results. Barrels; Cleaning; The Hellcat has a flat-faced trigger which helps to facilitate proper placement of the pad of your trigger finger and a straight rearward press of the trigger – which is a must for accuracy. For being such a small gun, the trigger on the XL is pretty darn good. Compared to a full-size duty gun, small pistols require far more work (and frustration) to extract top performance. I have a new Hellcat, and yes, I’ve experienced that exact problem. The concept is nice, but I’m still not completely on board with that U-dot setup. A forum community dedicated to SIG Sauer Pistols and SIG Sauer Rifles owners and enthusiasts. The P365 proved you could take a tiny gun, and cram ten rounds into it and have it take up the same space as a single stack 9mm. It lacks any manual safeties and has a takedown lever and slide lock on the side. Trigger: The Hellcat trigger had a lighter trigger with a shorter reset than the Sig. Unsure what to order for that someone special. Check out our full review here. Suggest you watch PRP video on install, I could not have done install myself with out the video. Extreme Trigger Kit with Aluminum Trigger for XD 9/40. Trijicon now offers a miniature version of the RMR sight that will fit the Springfield Armory Hellcat pistol. Replaced." Then it … Not a problem, we offer gift certificates in any amount to suit your needs. trigger problem? A lot of dry firing has 'lessened' the problem, but it’s still not 100% snag free. Oh well. This kit helps to smooth and lighten the Hellcat’s trigger pull to about 4.25-4.5 pounds. The Hellcat’s molded polymer frame is ergonomically well designed, incorporating subtle finger grooves, a slight beavertail and full-diameter texturing, including thoughtfully placed panels high on the frame for the meat of the support hand and textured index points above the trigger guard for the trigger finger and support hand thumb. Reversible Mag Release. Trigger: The Hellcat trigger had a lighter trigger with a shorter reset than the Sig. Its really a feature of the size of the gun and the average size of hands. The Hellcat features either an 11+1 flush fit magazine or a 13+1 extended magazine depending on what you choose to carry. Hellcat’s trigger breaks at about 6 pounds, and its pull is light-years better than the XD-S Mod.2 3.3. It gives me a little Glock knuckle so I dremmeled some extra undercut behind the trigger … We got the Glock 48 and 43X, which offer ten rounds in a slightly bigger platform, and SIG released the bigger P365 XL model. XD-S Mod.2® 10 Products . It's the gift that always fits. Is designing a new mag that hard or are they just content with their bottom line? Car is hard to start. Free shipping. Shooting the Hellcat is pleasant, and although the trigger feels a bit creepy when dry-fired, on the range I had no problem with it. MSRP $629 … SIG came out with the 365 and made a pistol even smaller with much more capacity and completely raised expectations. Hellcat® 4 Products . - Sound System/Tweeter - 3000 miles was all it took to blow the tweeter behind the drivers seat! The XD-E features an exposed hammer, DA/SA trigger and is the most versatile pistol in the XD line. So we have engineered the trigger to be optimized for certain variances in the guns. Compare the dimensions and specs of Springfield 911 9mm and Springfield Hellcat Micro Compact MSRP $542 - $580. I asked or stated if a particular round feels as if it has more kick in one pistol, hence the same must/should be true of other similar pistols. Maybe a 4th point – I have an F6F Hellcat mouse pad. The SA Hellcat . The sear and disconnector are CNC machined out of 440C stainless steel and heat treated to 53-56 RC. It took me about 20 minutes and while I didn’t hate the factory S&W trigger, I have become spoiled by my 2 Caniks and 1911. Very unhappy, I installed the PRP kit and it cleared up all the problems I was having with the trigger and I am very happy with gun now. If you put slight sideways pressure on the trigger it will not fire even with the blade safety fully pressed. $158.95. Apex Tactical Springfield Hellcat Trigger. Triggers and Trigger Kits; T-Shirts and Stickers; Gift cards. I have a new Hellcat, and yes, I’ve experienced that exact problem. Is this a term yet? The P365 sights are low-profile, but are not as fast to pick up during combat shooting. Assembled Guide Rod for Smith & Wesson M&P 9 and 40 Full Size Pistols. SIG has nothing that prevents the trigger from moving rearward and the trigger is almost as wide as the guard. Walther....if they made something like that you can bet it’d be something with really high quality for sure. (l.) Flat-faced triggers are the trend in tricked-out carry guns. Moving on to the trigger, three words…we like it. (03:24) Cut a 1/4″ strip of light cardstock to act as a shim. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I know personally of an ND when the SIG was pushed into an AIWB holster that had aggressive trigger guard molding and pulled the trigger … Sig’s little 9mm has made a big splash in the market, and it changed what concealed carry looks like. Both versions of the RMRcc for the Hellcat use a similar design to the original RMR. The Shield is a fine pistol. One of my favorite things about the gun is the same style texture that they use for the grip, located … Order a gift certificate; Sale. Both 9mm. The sights on the Hellcat are, honestly, a little ‘meh’ after using them for a few months. I had the same exact problem. Springfield with the Hellcat and now folks are really digging the hybrid mags with a lot of bullets. That to me is much more of a gimmick then a viable option in concealed carry (not to offend any of those who love theirs). The magazine release of the Hellcat® is easily reversible at the user level. Hi! Not a problem, we offer gift certificates in any amount to suit your needs. The Hellcat's first impressions were nearly perfect until this one incident, which may or may not be reflective of a possible issue. They eventually found themselves mixed in with other great single stack, small pistols. Moving on to the trigger, three words…we like it. "A dealer in TX had a hellcat with similar issues problem was a defective lifter." Especially in the dark. Springfield Hellcat 9mm Subcompact Pistol Accuracy Results. 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